tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7047469717259946034.post5361460256146271859..comments2023-03-25T05:55:25.559-07:00Comments on Notes from Wunderground: I have something to say about rapewinniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00398501250168260655noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7047469717259946034.post-53715399403172315632013-03-24T15:23:53.795-07:002013-03-24T15:23:53.795-07:00Ok, I guess I was uncertain of your position on th...Ok, I guess I was uncertain of your position on the matter. And you're right that drinking culture is a problem too, of course. That said, people already do take actions to avoid rape- I think the problem is that many women live life in fear, constantly taking precautions. Of course you should be careful, but fear of rape can in some cases dominate over the things you decide to do. (What's sad is that even if you do take precautions, rape can still happen.) In that case I think that it is very important to encourage people to understand rape culture and to teach people not to rape. (People will probably still rape despite this, as people do indeed still commit crimes regardless of being taught not to. I think widespread understanding of rape culture would be more effective on some level.) <br />Thanks for clearing up my confusion on what you said! (and you made a good point about how saying that people drink and you can't help it is on some level the same as saying "don't get raped." I didn't even think of that, haha)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7047469717259946034.post-86172419117310486892013-03-24T10:23:40.338-07:002013-03-24T10:23:40.338-07:00Like I said, I wasn't talking about rape out o...Like I said, I wasn't talking about rape out of power. Rape today defines such things as having intercourse with a drunk person at a party, and these are the cases I was more concerned with. Obviously skimpy clothing has nothing to do with power-motivated rape, but when a girl goes to a party with a short dress and then gets taken advantage of, a lot of people will say she was 'asking for it' (obviously this is wrong and the perpetrator should still be held accountable but i'm pointing out that this is something that happens). <br /><br />Also it's not good enough to just assume that "people drink" and "it's a fact of life". Of course they are not to blame for being raped, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be more aware of their surroundings and potential safety hazards when they are drinking far too much at once. You said it yourself actually, they aren't to BLAME for it but people should still be more responsible. <br /><br />Just because people drink doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve the drinking culture, instead of just accepting it. That's the same as teaching people 'don't get raped' instead of 'don't rape' by using the logic that people shouldn't rape but they do anyway.<br /><br />I agree that rapists should be held accountable for their actions, there is no contest there. I'm not victim blaming, just pointing out why it happens and questioning whether actions could be taken from the other side also to improve safety. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7047469717259946034.post-51063098937792527452013-03-23T17:20:38.547-07:002013-03-23T17:20:38.547-07:00I disagree with regards to the drinking situation ...I disagree with regards to the drinking situation and the clothes you wear. Rapists do not just go for people who are wearing skimpy clothing at all. The clothes you wear basically have nothing to do with your likelihood of being raped. Rapists do not rape because someone is wearing skimpy clothing (though in some cases they may if it means the clothing will be easier to remove). Rape is about power and dominance over someone. As such the clothes you wear should really not come in to the equation. In any case, what clothes would be considered skimpy for a male? Is there any caveat for a man to not wear particular clothes to avoid being raped? (Obviously not really, as no one really warns men against being raped, despite the fact that they can be.) It seems like a double standard, and saying, for example, that a girl was wearing short shorts because it was a hot day and then saying that those shorts are to blame for her rape is pretty ridiculous. <br /><br />I do agree that you do actually have to be careful about what you do and where you go, which is a sad fact of life. It probably never will change. That said the blame should never ever be on the victim in any way. <i>maybe</i> in cases of two people who are in a relationship and communication is unclear, but never in any other cases. <br /><br />Also re: drinking too much and being raped as a result of that: people drink. it is a fact of life. No, you probably shouldn't get drunk to the point of passing out, but people are irresponsible and stupid and do it anyway. That doesn't mean that they are to blame for being raped because they should have been more responsible and not drunk so much. That in itself is just victim blaming. Of course people shouldn't drink so much, but people <i>do</i>, and it is no excuse to rape someone and one of the side effects of drinking too much should not ever be "you could get raped. so don't do it". <br /><br />I'm not really sure where I'm going with this other than that victim blaming needs to stop being a thing full stop, and rapists need to be held fully accountable for their actions. 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